PUSU Episode 8-From Signal Leaks to Street Protests: America on the Brink

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Know what nobody wants to hear from Bernie and

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nobody wants to hear from a failed

congresswoman from the Bronx that her

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district looks like total garbage.

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And nobody trusts Bernie Sanders ever.

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If anybody trusts Bernie Sanders

and he's passing the torch to

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her, keep up the good work.

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I'm very excited about their rallies.

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Thank you very much.

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I appreciate you.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let you that right ahead.

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We on that.

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Tony Tidbit: So Bryan, you used

to support, you used to work

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for Bernie Sanders, so let's

hear your thoughts on this.

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Bryan Mullen: Yeah, I mean, uh, to

me the, the silver lining of the

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Trump Reign of terror, part two is

that people are beginning to realize

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that Bernie has always been right.

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PUSU Narrator: The award-winning at

Black Executive Perspective Podcast

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presents Pull Up, Speak Up, where

meaningful conversations drive progress,

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and every voice makes a difference.

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So what's on the table

for discussion today?

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Tony Tidbit: It is time to show up.

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Speak up and get real Welcome to

Pull Up, Speak Up a new series

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from a Black Executive Perspective

Podcast, your safe space for raw,

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unfiltered, and honest discussions on

the tough issues many shy away from.

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I'm your host Tony Tidbit,

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Chris P. Reed:

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and I'm your co-host Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: Definitely check them out.

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And you're gonna check out today because

our round table will tackle two explosive

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topics, the signal leak scandal.

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We're gonna discuss our top officials

above national security protocols.

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And then we're also gonna dive into

a OC and Bernie Sanders rallies.

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Are they driving change or really

just preaching to the choir?

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Chris P. Reed:

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Before we go down this path, let me take

a moment to introduce our panelists.

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You know, our powerhouse

lineup, uh, of panelists.

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You've seen them here before.

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If you've tuned in, first I wanted

to, uh, welcome Kevin Jenkins of

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Council at Right Turn Strategies.

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Kevin, welcome back.

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Thank you.

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Full of speak Up.

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Glad to be back.

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Cool.

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Next is Tauri Laws Phillips,

CEO of Austin, the Austin 100.

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Tauri, welcome back to Pullup SpeakUp.

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Taura Laws Philips: Thanks for having me.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Alright, and then rounding out the

panel is Bryan Mullen, a former

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media advertising executive.

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Bryan, welcome back to Pullup SpeakUp.

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Bryan Mullen: Thanks, Chris.

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It's a pleasure to be back.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Alright, so for our, uh, panelists and our

audience, we, uh, like to establish great

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dialogue and one way in which we do this

is we have a series of 10 ground rules

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for making sure that we can have a great,

successful, productive conversation.

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So I'll go through the rules with you

guys so we're all on the same page.

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The first rule is respect all voices.

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Second rule, listen actively.

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The third rule, no personal attacks folks.

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Fourth rule, avoid interrupting.

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It's gonna get passionate.

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It's gonna get exciting.

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We're gonna be heated, but do your

best to avoid interrupting anyone when

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they have their platform in their turn.

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Number five is stay minded.

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Number six, speak from

your own experience.

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You don't want to tell a third

party, fifth party, seven party

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story with no real facts or no real

perspective that you have of your own.

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Number seven, let's stay on topic.

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We have a small amount of time to put

out a lot of information and a lot

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of things that we have, uh, with each

other, so let's make sure we stay on

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topic Number eight, follow the time

limits, kind of a subset of number seven.

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Number nine, challenge ideas, not people.

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Definitely not personal.

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We have some personal

emotional investment.

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Make sure that we're challenging

the ideas and not the person.

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So no muds linking.

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Number 10, and finally, no buts.

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Generally, when somebody provides a

a perspective or their point of view

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and you put a butt on it, it kind of

diminishes what they just provided you.

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So those are the 10 ground rules.

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Tony Tidbit: I've never

heard that one before.

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Before.

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See thumbs up.

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It's actually facts, man.

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Thumbs up saying you

agree to the ground rules.

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Thumbs up.

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All right, Pull Up, Speak Up.

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Let's talk about it.

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9 News Australia Host: The release of

damning new text messages has cast doubt

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on the Trump administration's claim that

no classified information was accidentally

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shared with a magazine editor, but the

US president and his team are doubling

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down calling the scandal a witch hunt.

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Word games over war plans.

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The White House relying on semantics

as Donald Trump's defense secretary

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played down what he shared on

a group chat with a journalist.

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Pete Hegseth: Nobody's texting war plans.

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There's no units, no locations, no

routes, no flight paths, no sources.

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9 News Australia Host: But there were

times journalist Jeffrey Goldberg,

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who was accidentally invited into the

confidential thread on the non-authorized

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app Signal, has shared more messages

about the strikes against Houthis targets

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in Yemen on the day of the attack.

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Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth Roche

team, update time now: 1144

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We are a go for mission launch.

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1215 Easton f eighteens

launch later at 1 45.

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The first strike window starts,

hegseth says the target terrorist

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is at his known location.

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And at two 15, this is when the

first bombs will definitely drop.

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Do you still believe nothing

classified was shared?

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Donald Trumpo: Well,

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that's what I've heard.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure.

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You'll have to ask, uh, the

various people that involved.

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Tony Tidbit: So guys, you know, based

on what you know happened about 11

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days ago, um, and then obviously

in the clip we just saw, uh, Kevin,

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I'm gonna kick this off to you.

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Was this information actually classified?

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Kevin Jenkins: Well, you can classify

anything in the government, especially

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at the presidential level, but you know,

I believe it's a nothing burger And,

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and I think the strategy of Gotcha.

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Or you, you're doing something

that might impact the, the, the,

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um, the safety of Americans.

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Well, I can go back over the last

20 years and see that every time

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you turn on your tv, they're selling

you CIA talking points about war.

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Every time, you know, you're talking

about what's happening on the globe,

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it's always manufactured in some way.

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Now, do I believe they should be

on signal having that conversation?

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No.

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But what I find very interesting is

that the reporter knew that he should

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not have been on that call or whoever

put him on that call was already had a

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desire to manipulate whatever was done

on that call in any, in a bigger way.

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Because he wants to say the

Trump administration is being

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careless with, um, intelligence.

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And I gotta tell you,

that's not a good strategy.

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And I think he was wrong for doing that.

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He could have put lives in jeopardy.

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And I, I think he was reckless and

careless, and I think it was a nothing

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burden, but it happens every day.

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I, I don't understand.

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I mean, if you look at Hillary

Clinton when she was an office who

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was a friend of mine, you know, if

you look at what she did with her

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emails, it happens all the time.

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So I, I just don't understand that this

strategy of trying to find something

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wrong with the Trump administration

every single second as opposed to trying

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to work and figure out a way how we can

better our group or better this country.

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And I think they're failing at that.

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I think every time they do it, people

are like, look, do you have something

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that's gonna bring value to our lives?

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Do you have something that's

gonna make our neighborhood safer?

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Do you have something that's going

to bring a, at least something

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to the table that's going to

do something positive for us?

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Every day I turn on my

tv, which I seldom do.

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It's like Trump, chump.

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Trump, Trump, Trump.

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Never about crime, never about poverty,

never about housing, never about anything

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that brings value to the Americans.

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And that's why 77 point.

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Some odd million people, um,

um, voted for him and that's why

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his approval rating is at 56%.

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So I don't understand the logic of it.

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Maybe it's just emotional.

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Maybe that's how they operate,

but it's not a winnable strategy.

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Bryan, what's your thoughts?

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Bryan Mullen: My thoughts are,

I don't know where to begin with

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that level of, of stupid, sorry.

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Um, classified.

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They talked about who they were gonna

attack when it was gonna happen.

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It was classified, talked to any expert.

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It was classified.

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That's one Hillary Clinton's emails.

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Are you kidding?

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Hillary Clinton ran for

president eight years ago.

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I mean, be serious.

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Okay.

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Please be serious.

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The reason we're not talking about

the other things you talked about,

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housing, et cetera, is because

Trump doesn't talk about it.

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He's not interested in it.

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Okay.

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So this idea that this is overblown is

silly, and don't take my word for it.

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Take experts, take military

experts who've been on television.

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Um, everyone knows this was

classified As for the reporter, the

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reporter actually was the only one

in the group who was responsible.

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He did not share the information because

he knew it could put lives in danger.

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Um, waltz went on TV the other

day and suggested that, um, the

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Atlantic Reporter, the editor was

the one who did something wrong.

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He was added to the conversation.

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He also then said, I, I don't

know how we got on there.

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It could have been a mix up.

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I, I had him listed as someone else.

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So, I'm sorry, Kevin, but

everything you said is untrue.

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Okay.

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And, and, and I know we don't like

to sort of make it personal, but

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you saying that is part of the

problem, it's because Republicans

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in general can never admit mistakes.

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You can never fix things if you

don't admit they were wrong.

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Tony Tidbit: Sorry.

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Let's get your thoughts on this,

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Taura Laws Philips: Kevin.

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I'd love to, uh, I'd love to respond

in a way that is, uh, as, as, uh,

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respectful as I can find myself to be.

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Uh.

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I agree there are a lot of people

looking for what is going wrong.

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I agree with that.

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I think that that is the climate of

American politics and has been for the

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last 15 years in, and I think that that

is like culturally what we're looking for.

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So I will agree with you on that.

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I think that the difference between her

emails and this particular instance with

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Signal Gate as I think is really funny

to call it, uh, is the timeliness of the

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information shared and the difference

between information shared prior to

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an event and with people external to

the details and data that is involved.

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So to me, the issue is.

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Including someone who is not a part

of the tactical team, sharing it on a

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platform that is not the platforms that

are within the, uh, sort of approved

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spaces and doing it prior to with

someone external to the conversation.

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And so I think when we think about

the opportunity to put our soldiers

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in jeopardy doing so with the plans

to external people in the media, that

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is, that that's just simply a mistake.

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If I.

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My board is going to look at

me and say, you made a mistake.

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It's okay to have mistakes.

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It's okay to be human, but we

gotta clean it up and be, uh,

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responsible for what we're doing.

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And also, uh, cc the media.

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Yes, we can blame the media, but

we also have to include the people

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who CC'd the media and who none of

those people looked at that group

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and said, Hey, who's this guy?

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That's what's funny.

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If all of us were on a text chain

and there was a number we didn't

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know, somebody would be like,

Hey, Tony, who'd you include?

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Because I don't know that number.

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And that's normal.

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Like, that's the normal double

checking of what you're doing.

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And maybe it's just that, you

know, they're used to other

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people doing thinking for them.

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But there were mistakes made in

multiple, on multiple sides, and.

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That creates the issue.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let, let me ask you this, Tauri, before

I, before we move off, um, uh, national

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Security Advisor, Michael Waltz, um, said

two things recently that stuck with me.

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One was that, like you said, he,

uh, knowing who's on the chain or

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who's there and who's responsible

for that type of coordination, he

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said that he had never met with,

communicated or spoken to, uh, Goldberg.

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And that quote, uh, he, it was likely

that it, uh, that Goldberg's phone number

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was in someone else's contacts and then

it somehow gets snuck or sucked in.

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It somehow gets sucked

into the actual thread.

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So in that regard, um, because it was

like a oopsies, do you believe that

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there's some type of investigation

or overhaul to prevent that?

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And is that something.

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That's a administrative thing, or is

that something that the company signal?

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Should be held liable for.

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Taura Laws Philips: It's on both sides.

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This is why we have approved

channels for specific information.

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So if we decide that tactical information

is not classified and we can spread

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it and use it in any, in any channel,

then it makes it a lot easier for,

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I don't know, saving somebody's

phone number under the wrong name.

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Okay.

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To set that up.

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And I mean, it it, that's the easiest

setup is if, if we don't have rules or

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we're breaking the rules, it's really

easy to get one over on somebody.

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I love a conspiracy theory.

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Listen, if you had hired me as a page, I

would be the one saving everybody's phone

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number incorrectly in everybody's phone.

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I'll happily go down for getting

everybody, but I can't do that,

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and I can't set anybody up if

you're using approved channels.

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The issue with Hillary is she's

using unapproved channels for

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information that was highly sensitive.

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Listen, I'm happy you

were friends with her.

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I wish I could be friends with her.

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I love her till the day I die.

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That was the issue with what she did.

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She was breaking and bending the rules so.

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You open yourself for

these types of things?

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Kevin Jenkins: Well,

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this,

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this, this, this is the problem.

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Cannot speak to this the problem.

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Please cannot speak to this police if,

if, if talking about Hillary's emails.

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Hello?

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And I speak to, hold on, hold on.

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Hold Bryan, let let Kevin jump in.

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Then you can

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Tony Tidbit: jump.

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Kevin Jenkins: I like

what I chatted first.

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That's okay.

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I I, I heard both of them and, and I

think Tauri, I, I said earlier on that

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they should not be using Signal or

anything like this to be communicating.

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Okay.

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Anyhow, in Intel at any level.

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I said that early on, but you know, when

you said the loss of, um, of putting out

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troops in jeopardy, you must be talking

about what happened in Afghanistan when

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13, um, of our military people died.

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Now, I can go on and on and on

about that, but that's not the

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issue that I was talking about.

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I was saying they shouldn't do it

and there's enough, we can go through

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history in, in the last five to six

or seven years to suggest that a

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lot of this has been going on and

they, and they should clean that up.

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But you know, to say that it's silly

or to say that, you know, something

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is in an, in an inappropriate or what

I'm saying, it's quite delusional

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because hisTaurically these things have

happened over and over and over again.

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And this is what I'm saying

about the far, far left.

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They have amnesia.

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They don't understand

that when they do this.

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People are saying, wait a minute

guys, we got other issues to

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be dealing with right now.

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And you know what, that is an issue and

I think they need to deal with that.

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It should have never happened.

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I agree with that, but to say that

it's silly or to say that, um,

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Hillary Clinton's emails did not

have an impact or could not have

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an impact on our national security,

that's quite delusional at best or

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Taura Laws Philips: are theys or

silly, you decide because if nothing,

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Kevin Jenkins: conversations.

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Clearly it didn't say not one word, and

I was just trying to clean up the end

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of what my statement was going to be.

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So my thing is, I think

there's enough to go around.

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I think that they were wrong.

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I think that that should have

never happened, and thank God

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nobody's lives were put in jeopardy.

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But if you have to do an hisTaurical

analysis, there's a lot of

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that's going on every single day,

and we need to deal with that.

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I think that kind of

stuff is very serious.

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I didn't make any excuses of for,

for that, but to suggest that when

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I say something about Hillary or I

said something about Afghanistan,

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if I say, oh, that's silly.

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Well, that right there

is counterproductive and

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there lies the problem.

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Every time you have a conversation with

the radical or far left, it gets personal.

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Instead of us focusing on the fact

that I said earlier on that that was

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wrong, that should have never happened.

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The only thing, radical

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Tony Tidbit: real.

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Hold on real quick, Bryan.

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I'll let you respond

then I'm gonna jump in.

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Go ahead.

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Bryan Mullen: The only thing radical

is everything Kevin has said,

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Bryan Mullen: because it's steeped in

lies who got us out Afghanistan, Kevin.

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Got you outta Afghanistan.

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Excuse me.

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I'm talking, wait a minute.

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Excuse me.

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I'm talking no time out.

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Time out, time out.

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Guys'.

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I'm talking, you're not going

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Kevin Jenkins: to, you're not going to

attack me in a conversation I'm having.

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This is the problem.

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Listen, you need to learn how

to really have a conversation.

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Zip.

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Bryan, you're out of control,

your honor, in liberal.

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See, this is what I mean.

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You can't invite me to a show to

have a deep conversation, guys,

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when he's doing this, guys, you're

not capable of a deep conversation.

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Guys, we

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Tony Tidbit: can't have no attacking.

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Now come on.

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Everybody can tell that point of view,

but no attacking, no person, no attacks.

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Kevin Jenkins: Tony.

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Hey, listen, listen.

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Hey, listen.

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If that continue, if that,

that's not an opinion.

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Keep talking.

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Your opinion is out context.

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You're attacking me without

understanding what I said.

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And there's some real comprehension

issue here because you don't

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know what my politics is.

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You really don't know.

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Lemme know when he's done.

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Tony Tidbit: You really

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Kevin Jenkins: dunno what my politics is.

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Tony Tidbit: So, Kev, Kev, I hear you.

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So, no, listen guys.

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Everybody's got a right to their opinion.

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No person.

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You can't be calling people

stupid or anything like that.

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Right, right.

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Speak your what you wanna say.

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If you disagree, totally

fine, but just keep

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Bryan Mullen: it from

a personal standpoint.

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Go ahead, Bryan.

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Tony.

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Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

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Everyone is not entitled

to facts that aren't true.

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So this is with Kevin pedals.

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I mean, I, I just met him, but he's

essentially doing talking points.

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Poor man, Scott Jennings on CNN,

where you just obfuscate and you talk

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about things that are hisTaurically,

that are hisTaurical and or untrue.

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So Trump was the one who did

the deal with the Taliban, which

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put us in danger in Afghanistan.

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Definitely Biden, uh, made

a mistake with the pullout.

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There's no question about it, but Trump

teed him up for that Hillary's emails.

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The fact they were even talking

about this is really sad.

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It, it it is.

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It was eight years ago.

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Okay.

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People's lives were put in danger.

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: 00:19:49

Pete Hegseth was unqualified.

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This goes back to the idea that

most all of Trump's cabinet

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members were unqualified.

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They're just Trump loyalists.

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They're just people who

owe Trump their existence.

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: 00:20:03

And so they sit in these

jobs like Tulsi Gabbard.

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She sits before congress in

special committee, and she lies.

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She lies.

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This is what these people do.

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This is what Trump is doing as president.

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He's setting us up for failure.

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: 00:20:18

He's been office, what,

less than three months.

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: 00:20:21

How many problems can there be?

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The stock market is crashing.

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We're putting people in danger.

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: 00:20:26

Okay.

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People are being grabbed off the street.

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: 00:20:29

I mean, please, Hillary's emails.

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You've gotta, I'm, I, I gotta tell you, I

gotta tell you guys on, I gotta tell you.

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Hold on.

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: 00:20:35

Lemme stick to, lemme, lemme stick.

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: 00:20:36

I gotta tell you, this is absolutely

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: 00:20:38

Kevin Jenkins: ridiculous.

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: 00:20:39

I mean, this whole thing, this

is what I'm saying to you.

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I'm pointing out various issues

that reflect on what we started

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: 00:20:45

the conversation about, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:20:47

And he's saying that it's untrue, so

he's contradicting himself right there.

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: 00:20:50

So he says it was, it was Trump that

cut the deal with the, um, the Taliban.

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: 00:20:55

Well, we can go back and have that

discussion with many presidents.

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: 00:20:59

You know, I, I mean that's, this

is what I'm trying to say to you.

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: 00:21:01

I mean, we, if we want have these

con, if you want me to be a part

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: 00:21:03

of these conversations, I don't

even have a problem with him

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: 00:21:06

saying that, oh, it's not factual.

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: 00:21:08

Then I can rebut and say, okay,

here's where I'm on on this.

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: 00:21:11

But this kind of stuff is why the

country is where we are today.

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: 00:21:15

This is the problem.

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: 00:21:16

Chris P. Reed:

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: 00:21:16

Lemme ask you this,

lemme ask you this, Tony.

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: 00:21:18

Tony, in the idea of the severity

or the sensitivity, I know that we

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talked about national security, we

talked about different things, but

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you know, Tauri stated earlier, the

timeliness or the temperature of the

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world at this point in time and in

the fact that these were war plants.

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So it was act of war 46, uh,

estimated 46 civilians were killed.

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: 00:21:40

So somebody, you know, there was a, a

unfortunate, uh, level of life lost.

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: 00:21:45

But any idea of culpability is

what we're talking about here.

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: 00:21:49

And we said that it was a mistake

and it shouldn't have happened.

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: 00:21:52

But now I see a lot of finger

pointing in all shucks.

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: 00:21:55

And the concept is, if a junior enlisted

person leaked war plans like this,

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they would've been court-martialed.

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: 00:22:03

Gotcha.

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So why are senior officials when

we talk about, um, ability or, uh,

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the qualifications or whatever,

why are the senior officials.

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Uh, not being held to the same.

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A lot, uh, amount of accountability.

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Is there practic, should there be

practical experience in military or

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security to be required for these roles?

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: 00:22:24

What, what, what?

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: 00:22:25

Say you and Tony, I know

you may have a take on that.

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: 00:22:28

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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: 00:22:28

So just, just to be clear though,

guys, because I think we got off

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track, and here's the thing though.

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When we talked about this, this was

classified, that was my question, okay?

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Mm-hmm.

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To be fair, was this

information classified?

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Absolutely.

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:22:40

And then more importantly is

that at the end of the day,

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nobody's heads have rolled.

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:22:46

Because of it.

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: 00:22:47

Okay, lemme give you an example.

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This is an article that was written

in NPR March 25th by Bill Chappel.

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And what this situation

is called is spillage.

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Okay, so I quote What typically happens

in a spillage as serious as this is

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there, people are immediately fired,

said Kevin Carroll, who served 30 years

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in the Army, followed by the CIA and

the Department of Homeland Security

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and the first Trump administration.

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Okay?

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He says, listen, they're usually

processed, and I'm quoting for being

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kicked out of the military, and they're

referred to criminal prosecution.

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A lawyer himself, Carol,

has defended troops whose

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accidentally leaked information.

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Military officers who are sent battlefield

assessments that were several years old

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have lost their jobs for passing the

information over an unsecured channel.

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Carol says he defended a Junior Marine

Corps officer in court who set urgently

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potentially life-saving information

to fellow officers in Afghanistan

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from a non-classified email server,

and he was relieved of his duty.

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Carol says, for the truth, seeing

leadership share attack plans in

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advance on signal, but so far suffer

no consequences is toxic to morale.

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But that double standard is so common.

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He adds, there's a phrase for

it in the military, different

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Spanx for different ranks.

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So Tauri should, and look, at the end

of the day, we can say it's an accident.

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We can say that, which you guys all agreed

they should not have been using this app.

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: 00:24:31

Right?

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: 00:24:32

But shouldn't some heads

roll for this situation?

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: 00:24:36

Tauri, what's your thoughts?

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: 00:24:38

Taura Laws Philips: Uh, first I just

wanna make sure it's okay for me to

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talk and not be interrupted by anyone.

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: 00:24:43

And if I do get interrupted, I won't

promise to take my microphone and go home.

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: 00:24:48

Okay.

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: 00:24:48

Just making sure.

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: 00:24:49

Um.

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: 00:24:52

Go ahead, Kevin.

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: 00:24:53

I thought Go ahead, Tauri.

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: 00:24:54

Tony Tidbit: Go ahead, Tory.

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: 00:24:56

Go ahead, Tauri, go ahead.

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: 00:24:56

Taura Laws Philips: Okay.

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: 00:24:57

So the thing is, is that of course

we have, we, we've always had rules.

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We've always had responses.

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: 00:25:05

We've always had, uh, systems to have

checks and balances in our government.

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What we are seeing now is a rebuke

of our former systems of government

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and checks and balances, and

that's why no heads are rolling.

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But of course, there's Of course, of

course, yes, of course there should

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be a response that corrects the issues

because those rules were put into place

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by adults who thought out how it would

impact the people who are most impacted.

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: 00:25:41

And that's why we have

checks and balances.

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: 00:25:44

They are currently not

being followed on purpose.

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: 00:25:49

Tony Tidbit: Bryan, what's your thoughts?

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Should people be fired?

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: 00:25:53

Bryan Mullen: Of course.

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: 00:25:54

I mean, but the real issue is

that no one actually believes it's

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been what Tony, you said 11 days.

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: 00:26:02

Tony Tidbit: 11 days.

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: 00:26:04

Bryan Mullen: So politically this is, you

know what, who's the guy, uh, that told

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: 00:26:10

Trump never apologize, always attack.

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: 00:26:13

He never, he never takes ownership.

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: 00:26:15

He literally said to a Wall Street

Journal reporter, I know nothing about it.

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: 00:26:21

A couple of days after

I know nothing about it.

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: 00:26:23

Can you imagine?

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: 00:26:24

He knew nothing about the American

soldiers that were missing in Lithuania.

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: 00:26:31

He always knows nothing about

things that are problematic.

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: 00:26:36

So, so, you know, he might fire waltz.

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: 00:26:40

Like supposedly there's some

discussion about like, waltz will

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: 00:26:43

be the guy he doesn't want to fire.

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: 00:26:45

Because it would make him look soft.

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: 00:26:47

Of course, people should be fired.

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: 00:26:49

People lied in front of Congress.

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: 00:26:56

This is, this is anything

but a nothing burger.

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: 00:26:59

The biggest problem with this

is it'll likely happen again.

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And what's happening behind the scenes?

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: 00:27:06

What are we not, what's happening

without Jeffrey Goldberg being on?

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The chain.

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I mean, that's what's scary to me.

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Tony Tidbit: So, Kevin,

let me ask you this.

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Um, and I think one, I think it was, I

don't know if it was Bryan or Tauri who

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said it, right, but at the end of the

day, one of the things that the Trump

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administration is doing is they're, uh,

eradicating, DEI, across the organization,

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across the administration, right, taking

down DEI, their dismantling programs in

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the whole nine yards, saying that they

want the best and the brightest, um,

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and they wanna make sure that everyone

is qualified for their jobs right now.

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: 00:27:49

Question I have for you is this

DEI when it comes to Pete Huett.

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Alright.

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Number one, we know he was

in the military for 10 years.

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He was an officer, right?

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But never ever was at the level

of overseeing an administration.

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Alright?

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Where now, I don't know, is

it 2 million people under his,

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under his watch, basically.

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: 00:28:08

He was a Fox News host.

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:28:11

Right?

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And he became the defense secretary.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And so now, right under his bike, I,

I think somebody just said we are not

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even 90 days into the administration.

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: 00:28:23

Um, this situation happens on his watch.

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And then obviously we didn't

get to this just happened.

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: 00:28:29

And look, I don't know if this is a big

deal or not, but evidently he brought his

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wife to a, a, a, a, um, you know, some

type of, um, um, um, secure conference.

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: 00:28:39

And again, I'm just talking high

level, but net net is this DEI Is is

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Keith, he said, is he qualified to

be the, the, the defense secretary?

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let, let me ask you Kevin Cameron, before

you go, but let me, let me, let me preface

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this because I was initially relieved

that the brother General CQ Brown Jr.

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Had already been fired as the Joint

Chiefs of staff because first thought

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was, if they don't blame it on Susie or

Tulsi or Mark Rubio or Alex Wong, you

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know, of the 19, if, if any of these

had have done this, I think the reaction

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would have been somewhat different

based off of evidence that has been

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presented thus far over the first 90 days.

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So when you keep that in mind,

do you believe Pete has said.

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Is A-A-A-D-E-I hire or, or does

not meet the qualifications of

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such a high mantle in military.

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Uh, well,

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Kevin Jenkins: he was

confirmed by the Senate, right?

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He was confirmed by the Senate.

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: 00:29:37

So that I, I, let's move on from

that conversation, I mean, quickly

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: 00:29:41

because I don't even understand

the rest of, stop a second.

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: 00:29:45

Hold on.

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: 00:29:45

Lemme lemme, hold on buddy.

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: 00:29:45

Tony Tidbit: Hold on.

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No, no, no.

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I'm gonna let you let court, he

was confirmed about the senate.

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But that doesn't mean that he's qualified.

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: 00:29:50

It doesn't make a difference.

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Doesn't there's a turn, been

confirmed by, is the senate,

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: 00:29:55

Kevin Jenkins: is the kind of

stuff that I'm talking about.

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You asked a very specific question.

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I answered your question

very specifically.

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You asked about if it

was A-D-I-D-E-I hire.

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I said he was confirmed

by the Senate, right?

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He was, he was con Wait a minute though.

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He was confirmed by the Senate.

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I can go and look at every, um,

possible person that was, um, um,

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um, pushed up by Biden and say the

same thing about a bunch of them.

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: 00:30:20

And as far as the, the joint chiefs

of staff, he was hired by Trump.

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He just didn't choose him for this

next round, for this, uh, for,

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for, um, for his administration.

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: 00:30:29

So I, I don't understand that.

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When you say is he A DEI, he

was confirmed by the Senate.

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: 00:30:34

So what are we talking about here?

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And this is what I mean, you

spent a lot of time saying,

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well, you know, was he qualified?

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He was confirmed by the Senate.

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: 00:30:43

Right there.

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: 00:30:44

That answer that answers your question,

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: 00:30:46

Tony Tidbit: Kevin.

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: 00:30:46

Kevin, Kevin?

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: 00:30:47

No, it doesn't, it does.

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: 00:30:48

Listen.

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: 00:30:49

Who, who, who has it?

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The power in the Senate,

Kevin, the Republicans.

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Okay.

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: 00:30:53

Wait a minute.

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: 00:30:54

They could have, they could have busted.

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: 00:30:56

Kevin Jenkins: Wait a minute though.

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: 00:30:57

They could have Phillipa busted this guy.

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: 00:30:58

They could've done anything possible

to stop this guy's appointment.

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: 00:31:01

They didn't.

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: 00:31:02

They guess what?

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: 00:31:03

When the co, when the Democrats

are in power in the Senate, in the

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: 00:31:06

Congress, they control what the

flow of, um, the leadership should

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look like in their administration.

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: 00:31:11

This is pretty normal.

651

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This is not uncommon.

652

: 00:31:14

So you asked me a question

about DEI and I said, well, he

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was confirmed by the Senate.

654

: 00:31:18

He was not appointed.

655

: 00:31:19

He was confirmed by the Senate.

656

: 00:31:21

In your mind, he's qualified.

657

: 00:31:23

What?

658

: 00:31:23

The Senate said that he was qualified.

659

: 00:31:26

Bryan Mullen: That's not an in my

660

: 00:31:27

Kevin Jenkins: mind.

661

: 00:31:28

No, no, no, no, no, no.

662

: 00:31:29

See, do you not I, I'm, I'm a pro at.

663

: 00:31:30

You are not going to

get me to get personal.

664

: 00:31:32

The Senate qualified him.

665

: 00:31:34

Personal.

666

: 00:31:35

No, not asking.

667

: 00:31:36

I'm saying to you, no, I'm not

making a personal statement.

668

: 00:31:39

I'm saying to you the Senate, right.

669

: 00:31:41

Confirmed him.

670

: 00:31:42

That's all I'm saying to you.

671

: 00:31:43

It's not a personal about you or me.

672

: 00:31:44

I'm saying it's not.

673

: 00:31:45

I'm making it could.

674

: 00:31:49

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

675

: 00:31:49

So here's the thing though.

676

: 00:31:50

So here's the thing though.

677

: 00:31:51

Here my question, I'll ask it again.

678

: 00:31:53

Okay?

679

: 00:31:54

Okay.

680

: 00:31:54

'cause because just to be clear here,

right, I'm asking you, you are saying,

681

: 00:31:59

so basically you're saying, well,

the Senate, uh, uh, confirmed him.

682

: 00:32:02

He's, he's qualified.

683

: 00:32:03

That's basically what your answer is.

684

: 00:32:05

Kevin Jenkins: The Senate confirmed

him, so they said he qualified,

685

: 00:32:07

he and in he's qualified.

686

: 00:32:09

Chris P. Reed:

687

: 00:32:09

Let's ask it different.

688

: 00:32:10

Did the Senate make a

mistake in your opinion?

689

: 00:32:12

Kevin?

690

: 00:32:13

Kevin Jenkins: I can't.

691

: 00:32:13

Well, did the Senate make a mistake?

692

: 00:32:15

I, I can't.

693

: 00:32:15

I can't really, I I can't

really say what, what they were

694

: 00:32:18

thinking about at that point.

695

: 00:32:20

They were trying to get

their appointment through.

696

: 00:32:22

He came in before the Senate.

697

: 00:32:24

He sat there for two days or

one day, and he said, this is

698

: 00:32:28

why I should leave the military.

699

: 00:32:30

That happens every day in

government, every time.

700

: 00:32:32

Listen, there's every day there's someone

going before the Senate, going before the

701

: 00:32:35

Congress making their position, whatever

that is, and they agree or don't agree.

702

: 00:32:39

They agreed, and they

appointed him, right?

703

: 00:32:42

They voted on him.

704

: 00:32:43

This

705

: 00:32:43

Chris P. Reed:

706

: 00:32:43

plausible, this incident

showed that it's plausible that

707

: 00:32:46

they probably made a mistake.

708

: 00:32:48

Kevin Jenkins: Well, I think they

made a mistake I used in signal.

709

: 00:32:50

I, I really believe that.

710

: 00:32:51

I don't think they

should have ever done it.

711

: 00:32:52

And I said that I qualified

that earlier in my state and

712

: 00:32:55

Tony Tidbit: we, and we accept that.

713

: 00:32:56

So we, so we definitely, I think

we're all on the same page with that.

714

: 00:32:59

Right.

715

: 00:32:59

But here's the thing, Kevin, and here's

the thing, man, you are a smart dude.

716

: 00:33:03

You know, politics.

717

: 00:33:04

Okay, so the question I'm

asking you is not farfetched.

718

: 00:33:08

We know in politics Okay.

719

: 00:33:11

That the president and, and, and

there's a lot of closed door backdoor

720

: 00:33:15

deals that are done behind the scenes

to get somebody to vote for something.

721

: 00:33:20

Okay.

722

: 00:33:20

We know that.

723

: 00:33:21

You know that.

724

: 00:33:22

Okay.

725

: 00:33:22

So just to say, oh, the Senate conferred

him, he's qualified, you know, at the end

726

: 00:33:26

of the day, you know, let's be fair now.

727

: 00:33:29

Okay.

728

: 00:33:29

You know, that happens.

729

: 00:33:31

It happens all the time.

730

: 00:33:33

That doesn't mean the person's qualified.

731

: 00:33:35

Okay?

732

: 00:33:35

That means that.

733

: 00:33:36

The person in power wanted this person

and he made lean or she made lean on

734

: 00:33:42

certain individuals to vote a certain way.

735

: 00:33:46

You know that.

736

: 00:33:47

Kevin Jenkins: Okay.

737

: 00:33:47

Welcome, welcome Topol.

738

: 00:33:48

Welcome to Politics.

739

: 00:33:49

You asked me me a very specific

question and I'll respond.

740

: 00:33:52

Tony Tidbit: My point, no, so, but you

gave me a political, okay, so at least

741

: 00:33:55

you said you gave me a political answer.

742

: 00:33:57

You asked, you said alright.

743

: 00:34:00

You said something about

dei, Kevin Jenkins.

744

: 00:34:02

I said, Kevin, you Saidi Kevin.

745

: 00:34:04

I asked Kevin Jenkins.

746

: 00:34:05

Alright, the person of right

strategies, I asked Kevin Jenkins,

747

: 00:34:10

do you think he's qualified?

748

: 00:34:12

Alright, you said, well, the Senate

confirmed him, so he must be qualified.

749

: 00:34:17

That's a political answer.

750

: 00:34:19

We know the games that are

played in the background.

751

: 00:34:21

Alright, Bryan, thought

process real quick.

752

: 00:34:25

Is he qualified to do the job?

753

: 00:34:26

In your opinion?

754

: 00:34:28

In your opinion, is he qualified?

755

: 00:34:30

Bryan Mullen: I, I, I think

it's a silly question.

756

: 00:34:32

We all know the answer.

757

: 00:34:34

The answer is he's not qualified.

758

: 00:34:37

He was a Fox News host.

759

: 00:34:40

Usually if you wanna make a loyalist

appointment, you do it for ambassador,

760

: 00:34:44

you do it for some job that frankly

doesn't have a lot of oomph.

761

: 00:34:48

This is a high level

cabinet position, okay?

762

: 00:34:51

He's been accused of so many things.

763

: 00:34:54

He's been truth, like found out of so many

things under no other president would.

764

: 00:35:01

A man liked Pete.

765

: 00:35:03

Ha notice he's a white man.

766

: 00:35:05

Um, no one would get

chosen like him, ever.

767

: 00:35:08

And no one has ever been chosen like

him because it's a serious, serious.

768

: 00:35:14

Marco Aruba.

769

: 00:35:15

Marco Ar Rubio was the only person on

his cabinet that in theory is qualified.

770

: 00:35:21

You may not agree with his politics,

but based on his experience,

771

: 00:35:24

he's qualified the rest of them.

772

: 00:35:28

He just, he, he just pardoned a couple

of people because they gave money to

773

: 00:35:32

his, to his, you know, to his coffers.

774

: 00:35:36

I mean, everyone sees what's happening

except people that are carrying his water.

775

: 00:35:42

Tony Tidbit: So I'm gonna turn this to

Tauri, then we're gonna pivot to the next.

776

: 00:35:45

Is he qualified in your opinion, Tory?

777

: 00:35:48

Taura Laws Philips: No, I think

we can move on to the next thing.

778

: 00:35:50

'cause I'm like, listen, no,

because I'll, I'll add the color.

779

: 00:35:57

Uh, not just jokes.

780

: 00:35:58

Um, he's not qualified because

he hasn't been in a position of

781

: 00:36:04

creating strategic plans before.

782

: 00:36:07

The position in which he was within

the military prior to, he carried out.

783

: 00:36:14

Decisions and strategy.

784

: 00:36:16

He wasn't a strategy maker, nor

had he been in the position to

785

: 00:36:20

create strategy in the past.

786

: 00:36:22

So I think that it's probably a bigger

job than he's capable of on his own.

787

: 00:36:27

And I don't think that we, without

even touching the emotional points for

788

: 00:36:34

me, I don't think that he's shown the

aptitude to be able to make the strategic

789

: 00:36:41

decisions for such a large organization.

790

: 00:36:43

I would've rather seen somebody

from the private sector who has

791

: 00:36:48

actually made strategic decisions

multi in the position than him.

792

: 00:36:55

I just don't think, I think he a great,

great for something for somebody.

793

: 00:37:01

I don't think that he has the

tactical knowledge or past to

794

: 00:37:05

be able to make decisions in for

our entire military at this time.

795

: 00:37:11

Chris P. Reed:

796

: 00:37:11

So with, with, with that and our

military being an international arm, or

797

: 00:37:16

us being a primary power, let's bring

it back to something more domestic and

798

: 00:37:20

something more serving the, the actual

citizens, uh, in a, in direct fashion.

799

: 00:37:25

And there's a, a clip that we

have with, uh, Sanders and a

800

: 00:37:29

OC From a rally perspective,

801

: 00:37:31

Denver News Reporter: tens of thousands

of people descended on Denver's civic

802

: 00:37:34

center park today to listen to two

stars in progressive politics, Vermont

803

: 00:37:38

Senator Bernie Sanders, and New York

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

804

: 00:37:42

Now, this is the latest stop on

their nationwide fighting oligarchy

805

: 00:37:46

tour after a rally in Greeley

earlier in the day now, the message

806

: 00:37:49

Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez delivered

wasn't just anti-Republican party.

807

: 00:37:53

They were also trying to galvanize

those disenchanted with the Democratic

808

: 00:37:57

Party, with Senator Bernie Sanders

and Congresswoman Alexandria

809

: 00:38:01

Ocasio-Cortez touring the country.

810

: 00:38:03

Denver delivered a loud message of support

811

: 00:38:06

Bernie Sanders: in the hundreds

of rallies that I have done.

812

: 00:38:09

We have never

813

: 00:38:10

Denver News Reporter: ever

had a rally as large as this.

814

: 00:38:14

An estimated 30,000 people filled Denver

Civic Center Park Friday night, both

815

: 00:38:19

also had pointed comments For Democrats.

816

: 00:38:22

Bernie Sanders: There is today profound

disgust at both political parties, and

817

: 00:38:28

AOC: that means communities

choosing and voting for Democrats

818

: 00:38:35

and elected officials who know how

to stand for the working class.

819

: 00:38:39

Denver News Reporter: Rally

goers we spoke with agree.

820

: 00:38:41

The Democratic party needs to change.

821

: 00:38:44

Chris P. Reed:

822

: 00:38:44

Alright, so, so in the idea of the clip

that we just heard are progressive and

823

: 00:38:49

I'm, I'm gonna stick with you, Tauri,

on this because we got you riled up.

824

: 00:38:53

Are progressive rallies still

moving the needle or have the left's

825

: 00:38:57

message become more of an echo

chamber than a engine of change?

826

: 00:39:01

Where do you feel like we are

on this, on this hamster wheel?

827

: 00:39:05

Taura Laws Philips: I think that.

828

: 00:39:09

People who haven't attended

rallies in the past.

829

: 00:39:13

I think, uh, I think that when we had, uh,

George Floyd and Black Lives Matter and

830

: 00:39:20

Me Too, uh, the Pink Pussy Hat Posse, I

think we, I think that era got out as many

831

: 00:39:28

progressives, uh, as it possibly could.

832

: 00:39:31

I think everybody who was naturally

had an affinity to going to

833

: 00:39:35

rallies went to rallies then.

834

: 00:39:38

I think that we have a larger group

of people who are not sure what it

835

: 00:39:43

is that they can do now, and I think

that rallies now are grabbing people

836

: 00:39:49

who wouldn't traditionally have gone

to rallies and who are searching for

837

: 00:39:53

how they can express their voice.

838

: 00:39:56

I don't think that we have a

centralized force, uh, pushing that.

839

: 00:40:00

And I think that Bernie and a OC

are trying to stir that pot and

840

: 00:40:05

coalesce, uh, a group of people and

give them some space for their voice.

841

: 00:40:09

I think.

842

: 00:40:10

So I think that people who haven't

been to rallies before are going to

843

: 00:40:13

rallies now is what I'm seeing in the

groups I am and in the area where I am.

844

: 00:40:18

I think people are going, and it's

people who never would've gone before.

845

: 00:40:25

Chris P. Reed:

846

: 00:40:25

And so Kevin, I'll go to you.

847

: 00:40:26

Same question.

848

: 00:40:27

Um, and I know, like I said, you

have a, a, a breadth of knowledge

849

: 00:40:30

on both, on all things, you know,

from a political perspective.

850

: 00:40:32

Do you believe it's more of an echo

chamber or are we actually, you

851

: 00:40:36

know, driving an engine of change?

852

: 00:40:37

Not are they driving an engine?

853

: 00:40:38

Not

854

: 00:40:38

Kevin Jenkins: only is an echo chamber,

I hope they keep up the good work.

855

: 00:40:42

I hope they continue to keep

doing what they're doing.

856

: 00:40:44

They have no message.

857

: 00:40:45

It's highly dysfunctional.

858

: 00:40:46

They're on the defensive and I'm

praying that they keep up the

859

: 00:40:49

good work because they won't be

elected for the next 20 years.

860

: 00:40:52

Thank you very much.

861

: 00:40:53

Keep it up.

862

: 00:40:54

Keep going to the rallies.

863

: 00:40:55

'cause everybody's figuring out

that it doesn't do anything to solve

864

: 00:40:58

their problems at the local level,

in the state level in this country.

865

: 00:41:01

And you know what?

866

: 00:41:02

Nobody wants to hear from Bernie and

nobody wants to hear from a failed

867

: 00:41:05

congresswoman from the Bronx that

her district looks like total garbage

868

: 00:41:09

and nobody trusts Bernie Sanders.

869

: 00:41:11

Ever.

870

: 00:41:12

If anybody trusts Bernie Sanders

and he's passing the torch to

871

: 00:41:15

her, keep up the good work.

872

: 00:41:17

I'm very excited about their rallies.

873

: 00:41:19

Thank you very much.

874

: 00:41:20

I appreciate you.

875

: 00:41:24

Chris P. Reed:

876

: 00:41:24

We on that.

877

: 00:41:25

Tony Tidbit: So Bryan, you used

to support, you used to work

878

: 00:41:27

for Bernie Sanders, so let's

hear your thoughts on this.

879

: 00:41:33

Bryan Mullen: Yeah, I mean to, uh,

to me the, the silver lining of the

880

: 00:41:37

Trump reign of terror, part two is

that people are beginning to realize

881

: 00:41:43

that Bernie has always been right.

882

: 00:41:47

I mean, radical ideas,

healthcare, college, minimum

883

: 00:41:56

wage that can pay your bills.

884

: 00:41:58

These are not radical ideas.

885

: 00:42:00

These are actual truths that are

happening across the world in democracies.

886

: 00:42:05

Go to Europe, go to France, go to Spain.

887

: 00:42:08

These are countries.

888

: 00:42:10

When you meet young people overseas,

they don't worry about student debt.

889

: 00:42:14

They don't worry about their

parents getting sick, right?

890

: 00:42:18

So the great thing about

these rallies is that Doge

891

: 00:42:23

ADDRA Labs Promo: Doge

892

: 00:42:24

Bryan Mullen: is impacting so many people.

893

: 00:42:25

Do you realize that most of Trump's

policies, all these idiotic decisions are

894

: 00:42:30

impacting his voters more than Democrats.

895

: 00:42:35

If you look at the data, red

states are more impacted by the

896

: 00:42:40

firings or the loss of services.

897

: 00:42:43

So that's why these rallies are impactful,

because people who literally voted for

898

: 00:42:47

him thinking, he'll close the border,

he'll make things right, we're weak, blah,

899

: 00:42:53

blah, blah, are now finding out that his

policies, their 401k is worth 8% less

900

: 00:43:00

than it was if they're in retirement age.

901

: 00:43:04

Like myself, you have less money you

had than when Biden was president.

902

: 00:43:09

Taura Laws Philips: Oh my God.

903

: 00:43:10

Bryan Mullen: Guess what?

904

: 00:43:10

I go to, I go to the store every week.

905

: 00:43:13

I haven't been able to get

eggs in forever, and when I

906

: 00:43:16

do, they're really expensive.

907

: 00:43:18

So, so Kevin talked about,

I'm very solving problems.

908

: 00:43:21

Trump has created problems.

909

: 00:43:23

He hasn't solved a single problem.

910

: 00:43:26

Okay.

911

: 00:43:26

That's what I'll say.

912

: 00:43:27

Kevin Jenkins: I, and you know what?

913

: 00:43:28

You can respond.

914

: 00:43:29

I, I, I am stunned.

915

: 00:43:31

After 12 years after, after, in the

last 16 years, 12 years, democratic

916

: 00:43:36

Party had, when Obama came in office,

had control of the Congress and Senate

917

: 00:43:40

and got nothing done for Americans.

918

: 00:43:41

So your $15 an hour, all of that

stuff you're talking about, you had

919

: 00:43:45

an opportunity when the Democrats

was in office to save the world.

920

: 00:43:48

You did nothing.

921

: 00:43:50

And now you're attacking this guy that's

been around for 50 days, 60 days, and

922

: 00:43:54

you're saying, oh, he's done nothing.

923

: 00:43:56

No, no tax on overtime.

924

: 00:43:58

No tax on tips, no tax on social security.

925

: 00:44:01

What are you talking about?

926

: 00:44:02

The economy is going to get better.

927

: 00:44:04

You talking about eggs?

928

: 00:44:05

I, I built a supermarket right

across the street from me, right?

929

: 00:44:09

That I can go in and buy some damn eggs.

930

: 00:44:11

And by the way, the prices have gone down.

931

: 00:44:13

I'm soak, you know, these radical

talking points are quite scary to me.

932

: 00:44:17

I have not been in a

goddamn place anywhere.

933

: 00:44:19

Excuse me in America

that I couldn't buy eggs.

934

: 00:44:23

Okay?

935

: 00:44:23

And the eggs prices are going

down and I eat grass fed eggs.

936

: 00:44:27

And so what are you talking about?

937

: 00:44:28

This is the kinda stuff that

I'm always shocked about.

938

: 00:44:32

After 12, 16 years, 12 years of

16 years between Biden and Obama.

939

: 00:44:37

Nothing got done.

940

: 00:44:39

And you are whining.

941

: 00:44:39

So everybody says sit down, be

quiet 'cause you got nothing

942

: 00:44:43

done for America at all.

943

: 00:44:45

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944

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947

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948

: 00:45:00

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949

: 00:45:03

Taura Laws Philips: You got it?

950

: 00:45:06

Come guys,

951

: 00:45:09

Kevin Jenkins: man.

952

: 00:45:10

Come on.

953

: 00:45:11

Here we go.

954

: 00:45:12

Come on guys.

955

: 00:45:13

On on.

956

: 00:45:13

Tony Tidbit: Hold on.

957

: 00:45:13

Stop.

958

: 00:45:13

Stop.

959

: 00:45:13

Lemme Tauri, jump in.

960

: 00:45:14

Go ahead.

961

: 00:45:15

Yeah, Tauri jump.

962

: 00:45:15

Lemme,

963

: 00:45:16

Taura Laws Philips: lemme start here.

964

: 00:45:17

Kevin, I worry about your blood pressure.

965

: 00:45:20

Kevin Jenkins: My blood pressure's

good, my blood pressure's praise God.

966

: 00:45:24

Taura Laws Philips: Praise God.

967

: 00:45:24

I'm so happy for five miles a day.

968

: 00:45:26

Kevin Jenkins: I'm 62 years old.

969

: 00:45:27

I'm young than some of you,

970

: 00:45:29

Taura Laws Philips: Kev.

971

: 00:45:30

Kevin Jenkins: Good luck.

972

: 00:45:32

Taura Laws Philips: Just lemme start here

because I, what I refuse to do, Kevin,

973

: 00:45:35

is let you continue to be disrespectful

when I am attempting to be respectful

974

: 00:45:39

to you because you first got upset when

I, when I cut you off, but you've cut

975

: 00:45:45

everybody else off and you, you really

are so in like you, you go so big.

976

: 00:45:51

So lemme start with this.

977

: 00:45:53

Like, that's why I worry about you because

978

: 00:45:58

I worry about you out of respect because

I look to the people that came before me.

979

: 00:46:03

You are just a, a little

smid older than me.

980

: 00:46:05

That's not a dig.

981

: 00:46:06

That's just that I look up to

the people that are before me and

982

: 00:46:09

I look to and the best period.

983

: 00:46:14

And that's no, no shade.

984

: 00:46:20

The way at which I've, you

responding feels a lot and it's wow.

985

: 00:46:30

So

986

: 00:46:33

two blow up and you blow hard

and you come hot and you change

987

: 00:46:40

the, you change the topic.

988

: 00:46:44

It's important for the people gonna, the

rallies to be there and to have a voice,

989

: 00:46:50

whether you give a damn about them or not.

990

: 00:46:52

And it's clear that you don't

because of how you talk about them.

991

: 00:46:58

So, uh, for Bryan and I, we're

happy that they have that space.

992

: 00:47:01

Whether you don't trust them or not, or

whether they're their, where the world

993

: 00:47:06

looks like trash from your point of view,

994

: 00:47:10

they matter and their voices matter.

995

: 00:47:12

And then being Americans still matter.

996

: 00:47:15

And so they should have a voice

and they should have a space.

997

: 00:47:18

And they do have a protected space.

998

: 00:47:20

As long as we have the constitution, we

have, I'm sorry, Tony, I had to, I can't.

999

: 00:47:25

No, no,

: 1000

00:47:26,005 --> 00:47:26,085

Kevin Jenkins: no.

: 1001

00:47:26,405 --> 00:47:29,520

I, I, I did not, I did not say

anything negative about those

: 1002

00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,780

people that go into the rallies.

: 1003

00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,310

I didn't see, this is what I mean.

: 1004

00:47:32,315 --> 00:47:34,110

I mean, you, you living in a bubble.

: 1005

00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:35,610

I didn't say any of those things.

: 1006

00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:38,400

And as far as having an engaging

conversation, that's pretty normal

: 1007

00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,660

when you're talking about politics.

: 1008

00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:42,450

So I, I apologize if I offend you with my.

: 1009

00:47:43,055 --> 00:47:46,384

Extra latitude in my voice when we are

having these kind of conversations.

: 1010

00:47:46,384 --> 00:47:49,205

But at the end of the day, I never

said anything about those people.

: 1011

00:47:49,205 --> 00:47:52,895

I say something about A OC and I

said something about Bernie Sanders.

: 1012

00:47:53,345 --> 00:47:54,335

That's fair too.

: 1013

00:47:54,335 --> 00:47:54,815

Are should we talking?

: 1014

00:47:54,904 --> 00:47:57,455

So I don't understand where all

of those other things came from.

: 1015

00:47:57,455 --> 00:48:01,835

And I, and I backed it in by saying

in 12 years out of the 16 years, 12

: 1016

00:48:01,835 --> 00:48:04,924

years, they had the opportunity to

change the world and they did not.

: 1017

00:48:04,924 --> 00:48:05,640

I think that's a pretty

: 1018

00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:06,759

Tony Tidbit: statement.

: 1019

00:48:06,765 --> 00:48:08,404

So, so, so, but here's the thing.

: 1020

00:48:08,404 --> 00:48:11,045

I can challenge that, but I'm

not right now, I wanna ask, I

: 1021

00:48:11,045 --> 00:48:12,345

wanna ask Bryan this question.

: 1022

00:48:12,875 --> 00:48:13,415

Okay.

: 1023

00:48:13,515 --> 00:48:18,455

So Bryan, one of the things though,

to be fair, um, you know, they're

: 1024

00:48:18,455 --> 00:48:21,815

getting large r getting large

people at these rallies, right?

: 1025

00:48:22,115 --> 00:48:24,424

But the media is not really covering it.

: 1026

00:48:24,875 --> 00:48:25,565

Okay.

: 1027

00:48:25,565 --> 00:48:28,565

Not at the level that they're

covering all the other things

: 1028

00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:30,395

that, that are happening, right?

: 1029

00:48:30,605 --> 00:48:35,134

So do you see that being

a, a, a, a a a negative.

: 1030

00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:40,605

Um, that the media is not behind

it and it's just more of local

: 1031

00:48:40,605 --> 00:48:44,025

news carrying these rallies and

talking about how people feel

: 1032

00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:45,435

Bryan Mullen: it.

: 1033

00:48:45,435 --> 00:48:48,495

Well, first of all, it's being

covered on social media a lot,

: 1034

00:48:48,495 --> 00:48:50,115

which is curated, so I get it.

: 1035

00:48:50,535 --> 00:48:54,825

Yeah, like to me, the biggest, one

of the biggest issues now is that

: 1036

00:48:54,825 --> 00:48:59,055

Trump has effectively scared people

to death, whether it's college

: 1037

00:48:59,055 --> 00:49:02,925

universities, whether it's law

firms, whether it's media companies.

: 1038

00:49:03,045 --> 00:49:06,285

So they're not, you know, you have

people that are having conversations

: 1039

00:49:06,285 --> 00:49:11,295

with Trump and much like someone on

our panel, they lie, but they don't

: 1040

00:49:11,295 --> 00:49:13,455

get caught, they don't get challenged.

: 1041

00:49:13,965 --> 00:49:16,905

In other words, someone says

something and isn't true.

: 1042

00:49:17,205 --> 00:49:18,705

It's not challenged.

: 1043

00:49:18,795 --> 00:49:21,945

Therefore, people who hear

it think it's probably true.

: 1044

00:49:22,575 --> 00:49:27,585

The media, what the media should be doing

right now is challenging Republicans, I.

: 1045

00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:30,510

And Trump on their lies.

: 1046

00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,280

Did you see VicTauria Spartz,

who is a congresswoman, she's

: 1047

00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,100

li um, Ukrainian in Indiana.

: 1048

00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,360

She had a town hall.

: 1049

00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:41,190

Now she's a Republican.

: 1050

00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:48,030

Um, it check it out, okay, because

Speaker Johnson is telling all of

: 1051

00:49:48,030 --> 00:49:49,680

his people do not have town halls.

: 1052

00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,020

Don't do it because

you can't defend those.

: 1053

00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,410

You can't defend firings, you

can't defend incompetence.

: 1054

00:49:58,410 --> 00:50:01,380

So I apologize, Tony, to your point.

: 1055

00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:07,200

I think, look, we have a lot of years

before midterms, um, I think is tragic

: 1056

00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:09,930

that these rallies are not being covered.

: 1057

00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:12,330

But the word is getting out.

: 1058

00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,970

I mean, I think you mentioned to me the

other day that more people get their

: 1059

00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:17,040

news from podcasts and from cable.

: 1060

00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:22,080

So I'm hearing a lot about the rallies

and what I'm hearing now, which

: 1061

00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:25,230

gives me a good feeling, is that.

: 1062

00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:30,840

Middle of the road Democrats, people

that are corporate Democrats who, you

: 1063

00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,710

know, push paper and try to defend

democratic things, but don't really

: 1064

00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:39,720

work that hard for the good stuff

like healthcare, like college are

: 1065

00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,300

starting to see the power of Bernie.

: 1066

00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:43,950

Bernie's not gonna run for president.

: 1067

00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,380

That's not happening, but progressive

ideas are gonna become more popular.

: 1068

00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:51,870

rnie would've beaten Trump in: 2016

: 1069

00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:54,450

He absolutely would've beaten Trump.

: 1070

00:50:54,630 --> 00:51:00,930

The Democratic party actually

sabotaged themselves by making, um,

: 1071

00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:05,460

making the election all about Hillary

and it was her turn, et cetera.

: 1072

00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:07,830

There's a lot of dysfunction

within Democratic Party.

: 1073

00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,940

100%.

: 1074

00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:13,590

Look, Bernie and a OC will either

lead the Democrats to victory next

: 1075

00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:15,900

time or they will start a party.

: 1076

00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:18,900

I mean, a third of Americans

are, are independents.

: 1077

00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:24,540

Already people are, uh, democratic

party, what a 25, 30% approval rating.

: 1078

00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:26,310

The time is right.

: 1079

00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:26,851

Chris P. Reed:

: 1080

00:51:26,851 --> 00:51:33,240

Oh, I was just gonna, uh, ask, uh, a

question and it is, uh, involving the

: 1081

00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:39,330

concept of the rallies and the media

coverage and even the protest and the fact

: 1082

00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:45,870

that, um, freedom of speech has been a

question mark recently, whereas Trump has

: 1083

00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:49,890

stated, um, and I position this to you,

Kevin, you know, to kind of round us out

: 1084

00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:54,990

the top of the hour, um, what he stated

that A, B, C should be sanctioned and I.

: 1085

00:51:55,275 --> 00:51:59,475

And, uh, taking off the, you know, uh,

put in jail and things of that nature.

: 1086

00:51:59,475 --> 00:52:03,315

And these other media outlets

should be, you know, round up

: 1087

00:52:03,315 --> 00:52:06,404

and, and taken, have their license

stripped and things of that nature.

: 1088

00:52:06,615 --> 00:52:10,725

Do you believe those Gestapo

tactics are appropriate?

: 1089

00:52:10,725 --> 00:52:10,755

I.

: 1090

00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:15,310

For that office and how we approach

our media and our freedom of speech.

: 1091

00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:18,910

Kevin Jenkins: I am not here to

defend every comment that Trump says.

: 1092

00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:19,450

Mm-hmm.

: 1093

00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:22,240

What I'm saying to you is this.

: 1094

00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,220

I'm saying that as, as it relates to this

administration, in prior administrations,

: 1095

00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:32,170

they all had the ability to change things

in this country, and I'm hoping that he

: 1096

00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:36,460

continues to stay focused on the real

basic issues that are impacting everyday

: 1097

00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:40,030

Americans in this country, and that's

where I want him to stay focused, period.

: 1098

00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,540

All of the other shenanigans, I'm not

here to defend that I'm not a partisan.

: 1099

00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:43,660

Mm-hmm.

: 1100

00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:44,950

I'm not a cult member.

: 1101

00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:45,040

Mm-hmm.

: 1102

00:52:45,315 --> 00:52:45,705

Right.

: 1103

00:52:45,884 --> 00:52:47,895

So, so let's start right there.

: 1104

00:52:47,895 --> 00:52:50,384

So when I'm having a conversation

with you, I'm having a conversation

: 1105

00:52:50,384 --> 00:52:51,944

with you with my point of view.

: 1106

00:52:51,944 --> 00:52:55,395

So, knowing government and knowing

how it operates from every level.

: 1107

00:52:55,575 --> 00:52:57,735

I understand there are

trading horses all the time.

: 1108

00:52:57,735 --> 00:52:59,835

I'm hopeful that we have no wars.

: 1109

00:52:59,835 --> 00:53:03,315

I hopeful that he's fixed this, this

fixed this economy, and I hope we start

: 1110

00:53:03,375 --> 00:53:06,674

addressing the issue that are impacting

everybody's lives in this country.

: 1111

00:53:06,674 --> 00:53:07,965

That's what 77.6

: 1112

00:53:07,965 --> 00:53:09,359

million or 0.5

: 1113

00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:10,395

million people wanted.

: 1114

00:53:10,694 --> 00:53:12,525

The country went red, right?

: 1115

00:53:12,645 --> 00:53:14,235

So this is what they're looking for.

: 1116

00:53:14,235 --> 00:53:17,085

All of this other stuff I don't think

should even be discussed, right?

: 1117

00:53:17,085 --> 00:53:19,545

And I think he should be focused

on these local issues, period.

: 1118

00:53:20,444 --> 00:53:20,446

Chris P. Reed:

: 1119

00:53:20,446 --> 00:53:26,835

So Tauri, as a media member, do

you feel hesitant to report certain

: 1120

00:53:26,835 --> 00:53:31,485

things or to put certain terminology

in your publication because it may

: 1121

00:53:31,485 --> 00:53:34,154

be shut down by the powers that be?

: 1122

00:53:34,995 --> 00:53:38,535

Taura Laws Philips: Uh, luckily what

I do at work is pretty non-partisan.

: 1123

00:53:38,625 --> 00:53:39,255

Uh, can.

: 1124

00:53:40,275 --> 00:53:40,335

Go

: 1125

00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:41,520

Tony Tidbit: ahead.

: 1126

00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:42,560

Taura Laws Philips: Go ahead.

: 1127

00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:45,975

So Kevin, that was a lot

words for you to say.

: 1128

00:53:46,605 --> 00:53:53,415

No, you don't agree with

that part and I in that way.

: 1129

00:53:53,715 --> 00:53:59,505

But do you think that, do you

think that we're willing to

: 1130

00:53:59,505 --> 00:54:01,785

sacrifice one to get the other?

: 1131

00:54:01,785 --> 00:54:06,855

So if we have a better economy,

but no longer have media rights

: 1132

00:54:06,945 --> 00:54:08,775

or freedom of speech, are you.

: 1133

00:54:11,355 --> 00:54:12,225

For the other.

: 1134

00:54:12,734 --> 00:54:17,595

And I, I, well, I hear you saying,

is that, like, that's shenanigans in

: 1135

00:54:17,595 --> 00:54:20,984

that a lot of people say that that

is sort of like, that's the stuff

: 1136

00:54:20,984 --> 00:54:23,475

that just keeps the left stoked.

: 1137

00:54:24,015 --> 00:54:27,585

But if there's movement on that, is

it, are we willing to give that up?

: 1138

00:54:28,185 --> 00:54:30,585

Kevin Jenkins: Well, I don't know

where you've been since: 2019

: 1139

00:54:30,915 --> 00:54:35,654

Um, the Biden administration

for four to five years have, um,

: 1140

00:54:35,745 --> 00:54:39,345

really pushed against, uh, um,

freedom of speech in this country.

: 1141

00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:41,355

Let me tell you why I'm

a prime example of it.

: 1142

00:54:42,015 --> 00:54:45,825

My face was brought up

at the, uh, at the, um.

: 1143

00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,569

At the press, um, um, when the

press secretary gave their, I

: 1144

00:54:49,569 --> 00:54:53,470

forgot her name, where she gave her

speech about the misinformation.

: 1145

00:54:53,470 --> 00:54:58,870

12 misinformation, no, before her, the

misinformation I was a part of that this

: 1146

00:54:58,870 --> 00:55:03,520

government tried to take my freedom of

speech away from me by using a foreign

: 1147

00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,049

agent to attack us in this country

when we were fighting against Covid.

: 1148

00:55:08,259 --> 00:55:09,880

Now, think about what you're saying to me.

: 1149

00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,060

The Democratic party, A

Democratic president, right?

: 1150

00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:17,740

Used the power of the government to

sequester my voice, my freedom of speech.

: 1151

00:55:18,279 --> 00:55:20,230

So I, I don't know what

you're talking about.

: 1152

00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:21,940

Here I am an example of it.

: 1153

00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:22,990

I will fight for free.

: 1154

00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:25,150

I'm a purist when it comes

to freedom of speech.

: 1155

00:55:25,634 --> 00:55:26,025

Period.

: 1156

00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,815

Tony Tidbit: So, so, so, Kev, Kev,

she didn't, she was just asking you.

: 1157

00:55:29,055 --> 00:55:30,134

No, she was saying, I know I

: 1158

00:55:30,134 --> 00:55:31,185

Kevin Jenkins: wanted

to address the freedom.

: 1159

00:55:31,185 --> 00:55:35,835

I wanted to show by example that

I have been impacted by the former

: 1160

00:55:35,835 --> 00:55:38,895

administration that was pushing

back against freedom of speech.

: 1161

00:55:39,375 --> 00:55:40,965

That's why they were doing mandates.

: 1162

00:55:41,235 --> 00:55:42,495

We couldn't fight back against it.

: 1163

00:55:42,495 --> 00:55:45,285

They was saying if we fight back against

it, they're gonna take us off of Facebook.

: 1164

00:55:45,465 --> 00:55:47,625

If we fight back against it, they're

gonna take us off of Twitter.

: 1165

00:55:47,775 --> 00:55:49,605

If we fight back against it,

they're gonna take us off.

: 1166

00:55:49,785 --> 00:55:52,485

And I was, uh, uh, I was

actually attacked that way.

: 1167

00:55:53,535 --> 00:55:53,536

Chris P. Reed:

: 1168

00:55:53,536 --> 00:55:57,525

So you sympathize for those in that,

this administration in doing that too?

: 1169

00:55:57,615 --> 00:55:57,735

Yeah.

: 1170

00:55:57,735 --> 00:55:58,065

And I don't

: 1171

00:55:58,065 --> 00:55:58,305

Kevin Jenkins: think

: 1172

00:55:58,305 --> 00:55:58,306

Chris P. Reed:

: 1173

00:55:58,306 --> 00:55:58,995

anybody should

: 1174

00:55:58,995 --> 00:55:59,295

Kevin Jenkins: do it.

: 1175

00:55:59,355 --> 00:56:01,455

I don't think I'm a

purist when it comes up.

: 1176

00:56:01,455 --> 00:56:02,025

Freedom of speech.

: 1177

00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:05,600

I don't think you should stop college

students on campuses from and, and,

: 1178

00:56:05,605 --> 00:56:06,855

and using their freedom of speech.

: 1179

00:56:06,884 --> 00:56:08,955

I will never defend that ever.

: 1180

00:56:09,075 --> 00:56:10,634

'cause I've been a victim of it.

: 1181

00:56:11,595 --> 00:56:14,145

So I would just give an

example, a personal example.

: 1182

00:56:14,775 --> 00:56:16,185

Tony Tidbit: Okay buddy,

you answered the question.

: 1183

00:56:16,305 --> 00:56:17,145

Alright, there you, you go.

: 1184

00:56:17,145 --> 00:56:17,625

Appreciate that.

: 1185

00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:17,940

There you go.

: 1186

00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,295

So, so, so all good.

: 1187

00:56:20,805 --> 00:56:22,185

We all got some nods on that?

: 1188

00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:22,380

We

: 1189

00:56:23,805 --> 00:56:24,045

Kevin Jenkins: got some?

: 1190

00:56:24,045 --> 00:56:26,715

No, I wanted, see, I wanted

to show you by example.

: 1191

00:56:26,715 --> 00:56:29,384

See that not that rheTauric

example we're with you.

: 1192

00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,375

Tony Tidbit: So buddy.

: 1193

00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:33,735

My man, my man, we are so

we're on the same plate.

: 1194

00:56:33,735 --> 00:56:36,945

Look, at the end of the day,

it's really about, and I think

: 1195

00:56:36,945 --> 00:56:38,925

this is what the theme is, right?

: 1196

00:56:39,165 --> 00:56:42,404

Is that a person can believe

what they wanna believe, okay?

: 1197

00:56:42,404 --> 00:56:44,955

If you have, this is your

value and that's your value.

: 1198

00:56:45,225 --> 00:56:51,015

The key is, is that we, we shouldn't be

pushing false information out, right?

: 1199

00:56:51,255 --> 00:56:56,265

To, to persuade or influence

other, inform other people, right.

: 1200

00:56:56,265 --> 00:56:57,404

With not facts.

: 1201

00:56:57,585 --> 00:57:01,080

All right, so let me back up and I,

lemme give you example, prime example.

: 1202

00:57:01,575 --> 00:57:03,464

You said, and look bro, I like you.

: 1203

00:57:03,464 --> 00:57:04,904

So now you know, I, I I did.

: 1204

00:57:04,904 --> 00:57:06,015

But here, lemme just say this.

: 1205

00:57:06,285 --> 00:57:07,089

You said you like me.

: 1206

00:57:07,154 --> 00:57:11,174

When the, when you said the

Democratic, uh, uh, uh, administration,

: 1207

00:57:11,174 --> 00:57:15,194

Obama, uh, Biden, they had power

for 16 years and they didn't do,

: 1208

00:57:15,194 --> 00:57:16,665

they didn't get anything done.

: 1209

00:57:17,055 --> 00:57:17,984

That's not true.

: 1210

00:57:17,984 --> 00:57:19,095

All 16.

: 1211

00:57:19,095 --> 00:57:19,185

True.

: 1212

00:57:19,185 --> 00:57:19,904

What did they get done?

: 1213

00:57:19,995 --> 00:57:20,714

What did they get done?

: 1214

00:57:20,714 --> 00:57:21,915

So what about Obamacare?

: 1215

00:57:22,095 --> 00:57:23,895

That, that a lot of people Hold on.

: 1216

00:57:23,895 --> 00:57:24,165

Stop.

: 1217

00:57:24,255 --> 00:57:25,484

You see now you see how you shaking.

: 1218

00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:27,464

I'm waiting for you to finish.

: 1219

00:57:27,615 --> 00:57:29,654

You already anticipating

what I'm gonna say.

: 1220

00:57:30,285 --> 00:57:31,665

What about, but I'm looking at your face.

: 1221

00:57:31,694 --> 00:57:32,055

Okay.

: 1222

00:57:32,055 --> 00:57:33,569

I'm Obama.

: 1223

00:57:33,734 --> 00:57:36,285

So minute, let give you my facts.

: 1224

00:57:36,285 --> 00:57:41,355

Lemme give you, you can cantor,

lemme give you my facts and give you

: 1225

00:57:41,355 --> 00:57:42,674

my, lemme just give you my facts.

: 1226

00:57:42,734 --> 00:57:45,265

So let's just, and be

clear, you are hisTaurian.

: 1227

00:57:45,285 --> 00:57:46,785

Let's just, let's follow along.

: 1228

00:57:47,205 --> 00:57:48,765

When Obama took over.

: 1229

00:57:49,185 --> 00:57:52,665

In: 2008

: 1230

00:57:53,385 --> 00:57:54,015

Okay?

: 1231

00:57:54,255 --> 00:57:58,215

We had major financial

organizations go out of business.

: 1232

00:57:58,365 --> 00:57:59,925

Who was the president prior?

: 1233

00:58:00,225 --> 00:58:01,605

That was George Bush.

: 1234

00:58:01,815 --> 00:58:02,145

Okay.

: 1235

00:58:02,145 --> 00:58:03,855

Just to be fair, let's be fair.

: 1236

00:58:03,855 --> 00:58:04,935

These are facts.

: 1237

00:58:05,115 --> 00:58:05,505

Okay?

: 1238

00:58:05,685 --> 00:58:09,195

The the auto industry came to

Washington with their hats in

: 1239

00:58:09,195 --> 00:58:11,385

their hand, looking for a bailout.

: 1240

00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:12,165

Okay?

: 1241

00:58:12,585 --> 00:58:15,285

Unemploy, all those things

were at the highest, it was

: 1242

00:58:15,285 --> 00:58:16,905

called the Great Recession.

: 1243

00:58:17,205 --> 00:58:18,195

Alright, let's be.

: 1244

00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:22,380

Two terms brought us outta that.

: 1245

00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:23,580

Okay.

: 1246

00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:28,440

And brought us to an eco, built

an economy that Trump inherited.

: 1247

00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:30,900

Let's be fair, let's just be fair here.

: 1248

00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:39,270

Obamacare, that a lot of people in rural

America, okay, is using for healthcare.

: 1249

00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:42,150

They even tried to tear it

down and they still couldn't.

: 1250

00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:42,960

Alright?

: 1251

00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,080

So there was a lot of things

that the administration did

: 1252

00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,150

do from a positive standpoint.

: 1253

00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:50,430

Now if you wanna say, they

put too much deregulation on.

: 1254

00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:51,150

Okay?

: 1255

00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:51,960

That's fair.

: 1256

00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:52,530

Alright.

: 1257

00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,300

Did they do everything perfectly?

: 1258

00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,620

Absolutely not.

: 1259

00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:57,120

No administration does.

: 1260

00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:03,510

But to say they didn't do anything for the

American people is not factually accurate.

: 1261

00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:04,380

Kevin Jenkins: Okay.

: 1262

00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:07,590

So let's talk, let's start from

where you started, where you began.

: 1263

00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:09,450

You said about Obamacare, right?

: 1264

00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:11,700

Obamacare is a dismal failure.

: 1265

00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:12,600

And lemme tell you why.

: 1266

00:59:12,930 --> 00:59:16,050

The Heritage Foundation that

y'all complained about for the

: 1267

00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:18,780

last year, about: 2025

: 1268

00:59:19,215 --> 00:59:20,055

Obamacare.

: 1269

00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:24,750

Romney, they took it from Massachusetts,

the ingredients from Massachusetts

: 1270

00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:26,820

and the Heritage Foundation wrote it.

: 1271

00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:27,600

You know what they did?

: 1272

00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,550

They gave 35 million new customers to

the insurance industry, and every year

: 1273

00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:37,260

premiums are going up and up and up and

up, which is not making it affordable.

: 1274

00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:42,510

that's Snap Snapshot back to: 2008

2009, where the economy crashed.

: 1275

00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:42,870

Right?

: 1276

00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:43,920

Here's the deal.

: 1277

00:59:44,070 --> 00:59:48,210

Everybody and all of the corporations

and all of the financial institutions

: 1278

00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,430

got bailed out except Americans.

: 1279

00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:52,260

Americans didn't get bailed out.

: 1280

00:59:52,410 --> 00:59:56,310

They came back with this program that,

oh, if you call this, oh, we'll try to

: 1281

00:59:56,310 --> 01:00:01,650

give you assistance on your mortgage, it's

Obama had to do is say, corporate America,

: 1282

01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:05,730

wall Street, I'm going to bail you out,

but let's reset these mortgages for these

: 1283

01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:07,740

people so we can stabilize our economy.

: 1284

01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:09,840

Because everybody lost their

values in their houses.

: 1285

01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,520

So you talking about strategy, right?

: 1286

01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,670

So when I say that, I'm only talking

about, 'cause you brought these

: 1287

01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:16,290

elements up, I'm saying to you.

: 1288

01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,010

That's why I'm saying he did nothing.

: 1289

01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:23,170

Now, if you go to every major city

in America that black people live in,

: 1290

01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:26,950

or Latino people live in, they will

tell you when you sit down with them

: 1291

01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:31,000

that nothing has happened for them and

nothing happened for them under the

: 1292

01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,280

Biden and under the Obama administration.

: 1293

01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,210

You know why I know that?

: 1294

01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,530

'cause I've traveled 839,000 miles and

I've been to major a majority of all of

: 1295

01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:41,560

these cities in this country, and they

will tell you that black and white,

: 1296

01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:46,090

they did not feel that strong economy

that you're talking about, Obama fit.

: 1297

01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:47,830

They don't feel that on the ground.

: 1298

01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:48,880

They didn't see that.

: 1299

01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:53,050

So now I hope I answered your

question as eloquently as I can with

: 1300

01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:54,430

some hisTaurical analysis to it.

: 1301

01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:57,760

Tony Tidbit: So Bryan, you

uh, your thoughts on that?

: 1302

01:00:58,030 --> 01:00:58,960

Bryan Mullen: I don't know what to say.

: 1303

01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,770

I wonder how black Americans feel

now with their prices going up

: 1304

01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:06,250

and, uh, their 4 0 1 ks going down.

: 1305

01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,730

I mean, I, I you, you have

such selective choices.

: 1306

01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:10,450

Kevin.

: 1307

01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,130

I really, it's hard.

: 1308

01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:12,190

I.

: 1309

01:01:12,779 --> 01:01:13,950

It's hard to fathom.

: 1310

01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:18,930

Okay, going back to Hillary's emails,

Obama, like, it's just insane.

: 1311

01:01:18,990 --> 01:01:22,319

Trump right now, we're

not even three months in.

: 1312

01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,359

The stock market is collapsing.

: 1313

01:01:24,839 --> 01:01:27,750

The Atlanta Reserve is telling us

that we're gonna have a recession.

: 1314

01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:30,180

The GDPs gonna be down 3%.

: 1315

01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,649

There is no metric that any of

us on this panel would point to.

: 1316

01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:35,700

Okay?

: 1317

01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:37,440

As you know, are things good?

: 1318

01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,310

Are things bad?

: 1319

01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:39,750

That is positive.

: 1320

01:01:40,169 --> 01:01:42,000

Trump is doubling down on tariffs.

: 1321

01:01:42,029 --> 01:01:46,230

He's making enemies of our

allies and allies of our enemies.

: 1322

01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:47,759

The world is upside down.

: 1323

01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:49,649

You wanna hear good leader talk?

: 1324

01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:51,480

Listen to the Canadian.

: 1325

01:01:52,245 --> 01:01:52,995

Leader, oh my God.

: 1326

01:01:52,995 --> 01:01:54,285

Listen to the Danish leader.

: 1327

01:01:54,645 --> 01:01:56,475

Listen to the British leader.

: 1328

01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:56,870

Okay.

: 1329

01:01:56,875 --> 01:01:57,105

Okay.

: 1330

01:01:57,105 --> 01:01:58,904

These are people with integrity.

: 1331

01:01:59,325 --> 01:02:01,305

These are people who speak the truth.

: 1332

01:02:01,845 --> 01:02:03,375

We are becoming isolated.

: 1333

01:02:03,555 --> 01:02:09,464

Our country is in big trouble, but

we have people like Kevin who pretend

: 1334

01:02:09,464 --> 01:02:14,265

otherwise, but the, the, the regular

people know, they know what's going on.

: 1335

01:02:14,595 --> 01:02:16,064

Look at all the mass firings.

: 1336

01:02:16,395 --> 01:02:18,105

The country is in a free fall.

: 1337

01:02:18,165 --> 01:02:19,064

That's what's happening.

: 1338

01:02:19,544 --> 01:02:20,504

We all know it.

: 1339

01:02:20,895 --> 01:02:21,254

Okay?

: 1340

01:02:21,254 --> 01:02:22,365

We're all living it.

: 1341

01:02:22,575 --> 01:02:24,075

People are being fired.

: 1342

01:02:24,225 --> 01:02:28,605

Social, your social security

information is being accessed.

: 1343

01:02:29,024 --> 01:02:34,214

Elon Musk, who gets billions of

dollars daily in government subsidies.

: 1344

01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:38,880

Is is, you know, wants to save money

for the government, but then why

: 1345

01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,740

doesn't he cut his own subsidies?

: 1346

01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:44,790

I mean, it's, it, it's almost an snl.

: 1347

01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,140

Kevin Jenkins: You know what

: 1348

01:02:46,365 --> 01:02:46,585

Bryan Mullen: I'm

: 1349

01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:48,570

Tony Tidbit: call,

: 1350

01:02:48,570 --> 01:02:49,260

Bryan Mullen: lemme give

: 1351

01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:50,550

Tony Tidbit: Tory the last word, buddy.

: 1352

01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:50,790

Yeah.

: 1353

01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:51,570

Give the, the last word.

: 1354

01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:52,290

God bless you.

: 1355

01:02:52,290 --> 01:02:52,620

Last

: 1356

01:02:52,620 --> 01:02:52,950

Kevin Jenkins: word.

: 1357

01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:53,160

Yeah.

: 1358

01:02:56,535 --> 01:02:57,780

Taura Laws Philips: Come on God.

: 1359

01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,080

Go ahead Kevin.

: 1360

01:03:01,170 --> 01:03:01,530

Go ahead.

: 1361

01:03:01,535 --> 01:03:02,100

No, I have nothing.

: 1362

01:03:02,185 --> 01:03:02,905

I have nothing to say.

: 1363

01:03:03,385 --> 01:03:03,585

I have

: 1364

01:03:03,590 --> 01:03:03,990

Kevin Jenkins: nothing to say.

: 1365

01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:04,500

Go, go ahead.

: 1366

01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:04,740

Sorry.

: 1367

01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:05,850

I'm well, I'm you.

: 1368

01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:06,210

Go ahead.

: 1369

01:03:07,710 --> 01:03:08,865

Taura Laws Philips: I think to

: 1370

01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:15,840

assume that you know all people

because of the people you have

: 1371

01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:19,320

access to, uh, roots of arrogance.

: 1372

01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:21,930

That's my first shot fired at you, Kevin.

: 1373

01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:23,340

Just to be clear.

: 1374

01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:28,561

So just because the people you have

met, see it one way that doesn't

: 1375

01:03:28,566 --> 01:03:32,370

make it true for all people because

black people are not a monolith.

: 1376

01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:35,850

Thanks, uh, evident by the fact that.

: 1377

01:03:40,694 --> 01:03:44,895

What is happening is

evident to so many people.

: 1378

01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:52,004

Just as what was happening to people

during the Biden administration was so

: 1379

01:03:52,004 --> 01:03:54,075

evident to the people it was happening to.

: 1380

01:03:55,190 --> 01:04:00,290

I think that what we have to do if we're

gonna continue to have a country, is

: 1381

01:04:00,290 --> 01:04:05,600

to recognize that both experiences are

highly relevant and still happen to

: 1382

01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:08,090

all of us because we're all American.

: 1383

01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,190

What happened to you and your life

experiences given during the Biden

: 1384

01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:15,890

administration are completely effed up?

: 1385

01:04:16,279 --> 01:04:18,020

Uh, I would say the word, but I.

: 1386

01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:24,750

In anyone's view.

: 1387

01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,430

But what is necessary is that we

have to look at what is happening

: 1388

01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:35,610

to people in the last 90 days and

recognize that it's despicable for them.

: 1389

01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:42,029

And if we don't have that shared humanity

or respect for humanity or, uh, even

: 1390

01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:47,880

acknowledgement of humanity, we'll

cease to exist because siloing those

: 1391

01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:54,210

experiences to not caring about them is

what will make us most easily divided.

: 1392

01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:59,340

So if we can't look at what happened

to you and say, that is so Ed and not

: 1393

01:04:59,340 --> 01:05:03,120

okay, then we can't look at what's

happening to other people and say

: 1394

01:05:03,210 --> 01:05:05,220

what's happening to them is not okay.

: 1395

01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:09,990

And so my experience

as a single mother is.

: 1396

01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:13,700

Almost impossible to feed these two kids.

: 1397

01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:17,540

'cause I now have an almost

teenage boy who eats like it

: 1398

01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:19,009

is his, it's his primary job.

: 1399

01:05:20,299 --> 01:05:26,899

And groceries are impossible to the

point where despite the fact that

: 1400

01:05:26,899 --> 01:05:32,870

I have always lived a privileged

existence and always been, uh, very

: 1401

01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:37,580

comfortable in my life, I'm now

considering what to cut from the budget.

: 1402

01:05:37,879 --> 01:05:43,189

I'm now considering getting rid of my

prized possession, my car, I'm go, like

: 1403

01:05:43,669 --> 01:05:49,939

the choices that have to be made because

of the constraints are staggering and the

: 1404

01:05:49,939 --> 01:05:52,100

money doesn't go as far as it used to go.

: 1405

01:05:52,399 --> 01:05:56,899

And the policies that I see coming are

going to make it continuously harder.

: 1406

01:05:57,109 --> 01:06:01,549

And so I know that there might

be a great place on the other

: 1407

01:06:01,549 --> 01:06:04,790

side, but the fallout is not okay.

: 1408

01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:08,355

Um, that's the fear

because I'm the call out.

: 1409

01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:09,421

Chris P. Reed:

: 1410

01:06:09,421 --> 01:06:14,490

So, so as we come to a close today, I

definitely agree with all the sentiment

: 1411

01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:20,760

of we have to begin to look towards the

future collectively, and we have to come

: 1412

01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,410

together if we're gonna be in this thing.

: 1413

01:06:22,410 --> 01:06:24,690

And you said if, and I'm just

saying when Tauri, like the

: 1414

01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:25,830

country's gonna make it right.

: 1415

01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:29,279

I just have a, a false

belief or, or optimism.

: 1416

01:06:29,475 --> 01:06:29,595

Optimism.

: 1417

01:06:29,610 --> 01:06:30,390

That we're gonna make it.

: 1418

01:06:30,415 --> 01:06:33,870

And, and if we're gonna make it,

we have to do it collectively and

: 1419

01:06:33,870 --> 01:06:35,190

we have to do it strategically.

: 1420

01:06:35,550 --> 01:06:41,580

And the idea of us continuing to, um,

hash over, you know, previous things and

: 1421

01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:43,350

thinking that two wrongs make a right.

: 1422

01:06:43,650 --> 01:06:47,430

So because this people did it and that

people did it, then this gives these

: 1423

01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:49,290

folks the right to get their lick back.

: 1424

01:06:49,830 --> 01:06:51,450

Um, we have to move on beyond that.

: 1425

01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:55,470

We have to move on beyond the petty and

beyond, you know, some of these things.

: 1426

01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:59,340

And we have to be smarter

and be more transparent.

: 1427

01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:04,529

In the vision that we have for the

country, I think that all of us do have

: 1428

01:07:04,529 --> 01:07:08,700

a little bit of head scratching as it

relates to the vision on both sides.

: 1429

01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:12,779

As to where we're headed and how

we're exactly going to get there.

: 1430

01:07:13,110 --> 01:07:15,960

There's a lot of themes and a

lot of opportunities that exist.

: 1431

01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,050

There's a lot of meat left on the

bone, but we gotta come up with

: 1432

01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,110

some type of a strategy to eat

this elephant one bite at a time.

: 1433

01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:27,180

And so I appreciate you guys giving

your particular perspectives on

: 1434

01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,170

how to attack this meal that will

be the future of our country.

: 1435

01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:31,529

Right?

: 1436

01:07:31,955 --> 01:07:34,170

And so, uh, great situation.

: 1437

01:07:34,170 --> 01:07:37,710

I wanted to thank you guys all

specifically and, and, and, uh,

: 1438

01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:41,010

collectively and individually,

uh, great conversation today.

: 1439

01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:43,950

Tony, did you have anything you

wanted to impart up on them before

: 1440

01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:45,570

we, you know, put a close to this?

: 1441

01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,680

Tony Tidbit: No, that was it, buddy.

: 1442

01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,810

I think you, you, you

close it out perfectly.

: 1443

01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:51,300

I love what you said, and you're

a hundred percent right, right.

: 1444

01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:54,900

At the end of the day, we're all

Americans and, you know, our, our

: 1445

01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:57,779

mothers all, I believe all our

mothers said this when we were kids.

: 1446

01:07:57,779 --> 01:07:58,950

Two wrongs don't make a right.

: 1447

01:07:59,085 --> 01:07:59,435

Right?

: 1448

01:07:59,435 --> 01:07:59,836

That's right.

: 1449

01:08:00,029 --> 01:08:04,230

So, and every, and Tauri, thank

you for your sum summation as well.

: 1450

01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,250

At the end of the day, uh, you know,

everybody's situation is different.

: 1451

01:08:09,375 --> 01:08:11,985

And we can't just say, this

happened to me, so it's good.

: 1452

01:08:11,985 --> 01:08:16,274

Or I, I chatted with these people and they

said this was happening, or, or at the end

: 1453

01:08:16,274 --> 01:08:22,125

of the day, um, we're all Americans and we

have to have empathy for everyone, right?

: 1454

01:08:22,154 --> 01:08:26,145

No matter where, what, how they

vote, no matter where they live,

: 1455

01:08:26,654 --> 01:08:27,854

and the whole nine yards, right?

: 1456

01:08:27,854 --> 01:08:31,365

So I think it's now

time for Tony's tidbit.

: 1457

01:08:31,365 --> 01:08:36,645

So the tidbit today, when systems of

power selectively silence voices, erase

: 1458

01:08:36,645 --> 01:08:43,215

cultural icons and manipulate rules

to protect their own, they reinforce

: 1459

01:08:43,215 --> 01:08:46,154

a flawed and unjust status quo.

: 1460

01:08:46,693 --> 01:08:51,795

These actions are not isolated

incidents, but systems of a larger

: 1461

01:08:51,795 --> 01:08:57,825

deliberate strategy to maintain

control and avoid accountability.

: 1462

01:08:58,365 --> 01:09:00,854

All right, so that is

the tidbit for the day.

: 1463

01:09:02,910 --> 01:09:02,911

Chris P. Reed:

: 1464

01:09:02,911 --> 01:09:08,130

At this time, we'd like to remind you to

tune in, uh, to the show we have here on

: 1465

01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:09,929

a Black Executive Perspective Podcast.

: 1466

01:09:09,929 --> 01:09:13,200

Need To Know With Singa, make

sure you tune in each week

: 1467

01:09:13,318 --> 01:09:14,849

to check out, need to know.

: 1468

01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:15,479

Dr.

: 1469

01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,490

Singa Burton, uh, brings and dives

into timely and, and crucial topics

: 1470

01:09:20,609 --> 01:09:22,200

that shape our community and world.

: 1471

01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:24,000

We wanna make sure that

you check that out.

: 1472

01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,920

Her passion, her energy, her education

and her experience are un renowned and we

: 1473

01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,929

gotta make sure that we, uh, support this.

: 1474

01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:31,679

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1475

01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:35,250

And don't forget to check out the next

episode of a Black Executive Perspective

: 1476

01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:38,880

Podcast, or we continue to bring

these hardcore conversation powerful

: 1477

01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,429

insights on the topics that matter most.

: 1478

01:09:41,429 --> 01:09:43,290

It's not just a discussion,

it's a movement.

: 1479

01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:47,790

Don't miss your chance to be tuned in to

be inspired and join the conversation.

: 1480

01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:49,020

Chris P. Reed:

: 1481

01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:52,859

And then we also would be remiss

if we didn't remind you that the

: 1482

01:09:52,859 --> 01:09:56,460

reason why we do this and have these

dialogues bring these great people

: 1483

01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:59,160

together is that we have a goal here.

: 1484

01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:04,920

To eliminate all forms of discrimination

wherever we see it, and to achieve this.

: 1485

01:10:05,385 --> 01:10:08,355

We incorporate LESS.

: 1486

01:10:08,415 --> 01:10:10,995

And so we're asking for

everyone to embrace less.

: 1487

01:10:11,474 --> 01:10:15,855

Um, and I'll kick it off

with the L stands for learn.

: 1488

01:10:16,304 --> 01:10:21,945

We want to educate ourselves on racial

and cultural and political nuances and

: 1489

01:10:21,945 --> 01:10:26,835

have these type of dialogues to where

we can learn a perspective or an uh, um,

: 1490

01:10:27,344 --> 01:10:33,315

uh, point of view that maybe we hadn't

before based on age, geographic location,

: 1491

01:10:33,525 --> 01:10:35,297

education, and things of that nature.

: 1492

01:10:35,297 --> 01:10:35,298

Absolutely.

: 1493

01:10:35,303 --> 01:10:36,014

So the L is for learn.

: 1494

01:10:36,105 --> 01:10:36,885

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1495

01:10:36,885 --> 01:10:38,985

And after you learn, you

have e for empathy, right?

: 1496

01:10:38,985 --> 01:10:40,815

So be open to diverse views.

: 1497

01:10:41,175 --> 01:10:43,875

You know, like our friend Tauri

said, at the end of the day,

: 1498

01:10:44,115 --> 01:10:47,505

we all have to put ourselves in

the other person's shoes, right?

: 1499

01:10:47,505 --> 01:10:50,925

Walk a mile in their shoes and

have empathy and understand

: 1500

01:10:50,925 --> 01:10:51,644

where they're coming from.

: 1501

01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:53,291

Chris P. Reed:

: 1502

01:10:53,291 --> 01:10:54,910

And then the first S is for share.

: 1503

01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,910

You wanna share your

insights to enlighten others.

: 1504

01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:59,260

Don't hide it, divide it.

: 1505

01:10:59,590 --> 01:11:00,460

Don't be ashamed of it.

: 1506

01:11:00,610 --> 01:11:04,059

You know, speak openly, speak proudly,

and make sure that you're sharing

: 1507

01:11:04,059 --> 01:11:04,930

the things that you've learned.

: 1508

01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:05,950

Tony Tidbit: And absolutely.

: 1509

01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:07,150

And the final S is stop.

: 1510

01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:10,330

We all wanna stop discrimination

as it walks in our path.

: 1511

01:11:10,690 --> 01:11:13,870

So if I Jenny Uncle Joe, say

something at the Sunday dinner

: 1512

01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:17,410

table that's inappropriate,

you say, I'm Jenny Uncle Joe.

: 1513

01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:18,460

We don't believe that.

: 1514

01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:21,140

You don't say that and

you stop it right there.

: 1515

01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:27,200

So if everyone can incorporate less, LESS

will build a more fair, more understanding

: 1516

01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,880

world and we'll all see the change that we

want to see because less will become more.

: 1517

01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:33,441

Chris P. Reed:

: 1518

01:11:33,441 --> 01:11:38,270

I wanna remind you to tune in to all of

the programs on the platform, as well

: 1519

01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:43,010

as tune into the next episode of Pull

Up, Speak Up, where we'll have another

: 1520

01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:48,350

group of powerhouse panelists to bring

their passion, energy, and information,

: 1521

01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,840

uh, to this, uh, to this show.

: 1522

01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,730

And, uh, we wanna remind you to tune into

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: 1523

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: 1524

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: 1525

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: 1526

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: 1527

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: 1528

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: 1529

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: 1530

01:12:12,809 --> 01:12:13,200

Tony Tidbit: Buddy.

: 1531

01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:15,660

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: 1532

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: 1533

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: 1534

01:12:23,955 --> 01:12:29,980

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: 1535

01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,430

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: 1536

01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:37,800

the most, my boy down in Dallas, Chris P.

: 1537

01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:38,240

Reed.

: 1538

01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:39,510

I'm Tony Tidbit.

: 1539

01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:41,370

I mean, man, we talked about it today.

: 1540

01:12:41,730 --> 01:12:44,880

We learned about it, we screamed

about it, we fought about it.

: 1541

01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,050

Um, but you know what?

: 1542

01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:47,430

We're gonna still strive about it.

: 1543

01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:48,840

We're still gonna thrive about it.

: 1544

01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:49,950

We love you.

: 1545

01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,720

And now it's time for us to get out

: 1546

01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,260

BEP Narrator: A Black

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